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Tu SUN ODYSSEY 37 tiene un STIX 33. No te enfades, pero es bajo para su eslora.

Los Belliure, no he visto ningun calculo, pero seguro que al menos alcanzan en su STIX la eslora del barco, estan muy bien construidos.
No entiendo por que dices no te enfades, para el uso que le doy al barco es mas que suficiente, paseos con la familia y pequeñas travesias.Sin embargo me estoy planteando el cambiarlo, si se dan unas circunstancas personales de tiempo libre, por otro, para travesias mas largas y sin duda no estoy pensando en un beneteau.
te adjunto, cita en dialogo en boatsdesing.net.Vega.Alcala.
Good, it seems that you are a reasonable man. and the fact that you have owned a 473 is great for this thread.

You have said on another thread:


I frankly wouldn't even bother to sail a boat under 40 feet. No fun. Little boats are so slow they are all but useless except for day sails. While they have unlimited range, they take so long you can't use it. Big boats can actually get to places. At 9-10 knots you can do 200 miles a day and 600 in a long weekend.


and have said on this one:

Having also owned a 473, she is a fast boat, a bit quicker motion in a seaway than my B 57 and runs a bit bit better off the wind. In most respects a somewhat better salier than the 57. More like a race boat, accelerates faster, better in light air, points a bit higher.

About big boats and speed, I believe that actually the 473, is faster than your boat, and the 473 is a lot smaler . In what regards boat speed and size, size is only the determinant factor on a displacement boat. As the 473 is a sportier boat, lighter and proportionally with more sail, it plans more easily and that makes all the difference.

You can find 40ft light cruisers that will go faster than your boat, but it will be very sporty boats. However you will find sailors that will prefer to cruise in them than in your boat, no matter the relative discomfort. Sporty sailors


When it is really nasty out there, there is nothing like 55 feet of waterline, 50,000 pounds and a lot of freeboard. Dry, calm and doing 9 knots in 40 knots with gusts to 50 is something to behold.


In my opinion there are things better than 55 feet of waterline and 50,000 pounds. Try 72.8 feet on the waterline to the same weight and you will have a comfortable cruiser with 50% more speed potential:P .

http://www.shipman.dk/articles/?m0=11

I am not making fun of your boat. I find it a very good boat. I find also the 473 a very good boat, but as you can tell better than anyone here, they are very different boats.

I believe that if you value the comfort, the easy motion and a reasonable speed and if you like to have guests or a crew, your actual boat is a better choice. But if you like to sail alone, if you like to enjoy the pleasure of sailing while going fast, the 473 is a more entertaining and pleasurable boat.

It is all a question of personal taste. Different sailors, different boats .

By the way, I don’t agree with this:


Reality check, lets sail to Berumda, you want to take that "better" boat, or mine. In mine, Bermuda is a lovley three day cruise. In a 35 foot boat, any 35 foot boat, it is an adventure.


I believe you are completely out of line. There are many 35ft (or smaller boats) that circumnavigated without any problem...and there are people who prefer sailing on small boats. Again, it is a question of taste and sometimes (but not always) a question of money, as it seems to be for you not owning a Oyster .

In the end the important is owning a boat that we enjoy sailing and that accommodates our needs, heavy or light, slow or fast, modern, old or classic, a boat that will take us where we want to go....and the meaningful words here are going and enjoy ....the rest we can leave for the armchair critics .

Un saludo