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Able 32, 42, 48
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USA
Superb quality, expensive. Chuck Paine designs.
Alajuela 33, 38
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USA
Good value, well built. 38 has a long bowsprit and boomkin.
Alberg 35
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USA
Proven, narrow, short waterlines, limited interior volume.
Alden 38, 43, 44, 46, 48, 54, 58
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USA
Classy, well built, beautiful & hold their value well.
Allied 30, 32, 33, 35, 36, 39, 42
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USA
Good value. Functional, practical but getting older now.
Alubat (Ovni, Cigale) 36-58

FRA
Builders of innovative lifting-keel aluminum cruising boats
Allures 40, 45, 51

FRA
Fascinating top quality, innovative, composite lifting keel yachts.
Amel 36‑64

FRA
Strong, well designed, excellent passagemaker, great value and low maintenance. Occasional serious blister problems.
Amazon 29, 37, 44
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CAN
Steel boats, attractive modern designs.
Amphitrite 43
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FRA
Wauquiez built, strong & roomy with good storage. Odd deck design, but solid boat and good value. Avoid teak deck models.
Bayfield 29, 30‑32, 40
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CAN
Good value. A bit “plasticy” interiors but ok.
Bluewater 60
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USA
Modern, top quality Chuck Paine design.
Boreal 44, 47, 50, 53, 63

FRA
Exc., highly innovative design suitable for high latitude cruising
Bowman 36‑58
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GBR
Strong boats, good passagemakers, but shortish waterline.
Brewer 42
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CAN
Improved version of Whitby 42.
Bristol 27‑45
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USA
Good boats. Later models were better quality.
Bristol Channel Cutter 28
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USA
Well built, but cockpit and cabin not very comfortable.
Cabot 36
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CAN
Ted Brewer design. Limited production.
Cal 2‑30, 34, 36, 39, 40, 2‑46, 3‑46, 48
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USA
Moderate quality, reasonably priced but look very carefully at bulkhead attachment and rudders.
Caliber 28, 33, 35, 38, 40.
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USA
Fairly well‑built. Michael McCreary designs. LRC models have substantial tankage. The 47 is not an attractive boat.
Cambria 40, 44, 46
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USA
Fast, well‑built, gorgeous and have held their value well.
Camper Nicholson 31, 32, 35, 38, 39, 40, 43, 47, 56, 58, 70
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GBR
Famous yard, long out of business now. Very seaworthy designs. Watch for serious blister problems on all models.
Cabo Rico 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47
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CRI
Crealock and Paine designs. Expensive, semi custom. Some problems with water absorption into balsa-cored decks.
Cape Dory ‑ all models
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USA
Classic design, quality construction, but narrow and small.
Cape George Cutters 31, 36, 38

USA
Many owner completed, quality varies. Strong, fast and attract.
Cascade 36, 42

USA
1965‑67 design still being built. Fairly narrow, many owner-built.
Centurion 36, 38, 40/41, 42/45 47/49
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FRA
Fast, attractive solid boats with very modest tankage and somewhat limited storage. Avoid any with teak decks!
Cherubini 44, 48, 62
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USA
Semi‑custom, absolutely gorgeous, great sailing & expensive. Limited interior space compared to modern designs.
Contessa 26 & 32
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CAN, GBR
Tania Aebi & B.J. Caldwell both circumnavigated in 26's, but these are TINY boats. The 32 is small, but truly a classic.
Contest 31, 35, 36, 38, 40, 41, 42, 44, 46, 48, 55, 60

HOL
More common in Europe . Well built, new boats are very attractive and expensive.
Corbin 39
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CAN
Roomy and strong, but watch for hull blisters.
Crealock 31, PH 32, 34, 37, 40, 44 by Pacific Seacraft
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USA
Good value and well built. Graceful overhangs, canoe sterns, short waterlines means these boats can hobbyhorse upwind.
CS 36
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CAN
Attractive, modern, fairly well built. Occasional blister problems.
CSY 37, 44
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USA
Sturdy, roomy & reasonably priced but old.
Dana 24 by Pacific Seacraft
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USA
An attractive solid, expensive and slooow pocket ocean cruiser.
Deerfoot Yachts
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Var
Fast & innovative, aluminum & fiberglass hulls.
Dickerson 36, 37, 40, 41, 50
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USA
Nicely proportioned & well‑built but old. Earlier 36’s are very reasonably priced but lack interior space.
Dufour 31, 35 - 45
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FRA
1964-84 models had solid hulls, but balsa cored-decks.
Endurance 35, 38, 40
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Var
Peter Ibold design, some owner completed. Built by various yards in ENG , USA & Canada .
Esprit 37 by Nordic, aka Valiant
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USA
Comfortable, well proven, good value but some have blisters.
F & C 44
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ARG
Modern Frers designed cruising ketch.
Fantasi 37, 50

SWE
High quality attractive pilothouse boats built on Orust Is.
Farr Pilot House 50, 56, 60, 63
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SWE
Powerful, fast, excellent quality. Hold value very well.
Fast Passage 39
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USA
Some built in Canada , some by Tollycraft. WA. Good boats.
Fisher 30‑46

GBR
Sturdy and slow motorsailers. Great for high latitude cruising.
Fraser 41, 46, 50
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CAN
Good, sturdy, fairly modern cruisers.
Freya 39
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USA
Good value. Many owner-completed, so quality varies greatly.
Garcia 46-115

FRA
Gorgeous, fast, semi custom, highest quality aluminum.
Gladiateur 33
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FRA
Very sturdy, short on tankage, Wauquiez built.
Goderich 35, 37,41
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CAN
Attractive Brewer steel boats. Short production run, rare.
Gozzard 31, 36, 44

CAN
Good design & construction. Totally committed quality company.



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Hallberg-Rassy, 31 - 64


SWE
Well built, comfortable, good tankage and systems integration. Newer Frers designs faster than earlier Enderlien models. Watch for teak deck issues on older models.
Halmatic 30
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ENG
Similar to Nicholson 31. Watch for blisters.
Hinkley 30‑64
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USA
Attractive, highest quality, and expensive. Hold their
value well. Modest tankage & storage.
Hood 38
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FRA
Wauquiez built, Hood design, strong, fast, & attractive but short on tankage. Centerboard rattles downwind. Solid choice.
Hylas 46,49, 54, 54 raised Saloon, 56, 70

TAI
Frers & S & S designs. Good sailing qualities, tankage & storage. High quality on later Jachney-era models.
Island Packet 32, 35, 350, 37,38, 380, 40, 420, 44, 45

USA
Good value, exc. company. Roomy & comfortable with good tankage & storage but some odd features. Continually improving
J/42; J/44, J/46, J/160


USA
Fast downwind, pound upwind. Minimal tankage and storage. Several have lost keels and rudders. Questionable…
Jason 35 from Miller Marine
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USA
Many owner‑completed. Several have cruised extensively.
Jongert 50, 55, 60, 67, 73

HOL
Heavy, expensive, extremely well‑built steel and aluminum yachts, highest quality. Not going to win any races, though!
Justine 36
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USA
Gorgeous Paine design, Morris built cruiser. Rare.
Kaiser Gale Force 34
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USA
Well designed and built, good sailing qualities.
Kaiulani 34, 38
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USA
Lovely steel Brewer & Yohe designs. Very limited production.
Kanter 42, 45, 60, 65


CAN
Steel & aluminum boats, semi‑custom. Highest quality. Chuck Paine & Ted Brewer designs.
LM 27, 28, 290, 30, 315, 32, 380

DEN
Some have inside steering. Well‑built and impressive.
Little Harbor 42 ‑ 90
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TAI & USA
Hood designed heavy displacement, semi‑custom, hi maint.
Expensive and solid as a rock, but strange pinched sterns.
Luders 33, DOVE
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USA
Older, well built by Allied. Modest interior volume
Malo 36, 38, 39, 45

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SWE
High quality offshore boats with good sailing performance. Attractive, reasonably priced.
Mariah 31
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USA
At least one circumnavigation. Pacific Seacraft built.
Mason 33, 43, 44, 53, 54, 63
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TAI
Quality Ta-Shing boats, but short waterlines and high maint.
Moody 38, 42, 47, 54, 64
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GBR
Good designs of only modest quality. Compare to Catalina.
Morgan 382, 383, 384
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USA
Ted Brewer design for around $45-55K. Some problems …
Morris 26, 28, 30, 32, 34,36, 42, 44, 45, 454, 46, 48.6, 52

USA
Chuck Paine designs, superb quality, highest quality US yard building cruising boats. Semi-custom and expensive.
Mystic 57, 60
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GBR
Dubois design, Bowman built, beautiful.
Mystery 35, 43

GBR
Top quality, fast and attractive. Good choice!
Najad 330, 361, 370, 390, 420, 490, 520
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SWE
Quality, attractive boats. Excellent sailing performance. Good tankage, storage and high level of craftsmanship.
Nauti‑Cat Motorsailers 35,40,43, 53

FIN
Later S & S designed models are much better performers than earlier tubby models. Newer boats are very high quality.
Niagara 31, 35, 42
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CAN
Well‑built & roomy. Good value, but watch for soggy deck cores.
Nimbus 42, by Albin Marine
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TAI
Kaufman & Ladd seaworthy, roomy design, Taiwan problems.
Nordic 34,40,44,45
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USA
Attractive boats, some solvable problems with mast step deflection on the 40 & 44.
Norseman 400,447
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TAI
Strong, fast, and attractive. Have held their value well. Rusty fuel tanks an expensive repair issue.
North Wind 43,50, 58

SPA
S&S designs, fairly good construction quality. Very few in NA.
Ocean 60, 71
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GBR
Powerful boats, many have had blister problems and old now
Ocean Cruising 42
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USA
Only a few built by Hank Hinkley. Classy, top quality.
Orion 27
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USA
Offshore capable. Pacific Seacraft built.
Outbound 42, 44, 52

CHI
Attractive, fast, well-built boats with great customer service.
Ovni 35, 395, 445, 495, 58

FRA
Sturdy, low maintenance excellent aluminum, lifting keels
Oyster 42, 45, 485,49,53, 55, 56 61, 62, 63, 66, 70, 82, 100

GBR
NZL
Attractive, expensive and first class. Weak resale value on larger models make this an excellent, though expensive choice.
Pacific Seacraft 34, 37, 40, 44
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USA
Well built boats, good resale. Graceful overhangs, short W/L.
Pearson 35, 365, 422, 424, 520
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USA
Moderate construction quality, but quite a good value.
Passport 41, 415, 435, 44, 456, 470, 50

TAI
CHI
Modern Perry cruising design. Good storage/tankage, soggy wooden deck cores common on older models.
Pretorien 35
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FRA
Strong, fast & attractive, built by Wauquiez. Great value. Modest tankage, some have saildrives, a negative.
Regina of Vindo, 38, 43, 49


SWE
Gorgeous, exquisitely built, highest quality deck saloon. In a class of their own for quality and design.
Rival 36‑41, Rival Bowman 42
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ENG
Strong, good-looking and sailing boats.
Rustler 36, 42

ENG
Totally impressive, quality boats and company.
Sabre 34, 362,38, 402, 42, 402, 425, 452

USA
Built in Maine , modest quality, limited tankage and storage, but very pretty. Doctor’s boats for New England .
Sadler 34
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GBR
Unsinkable, fast, great performance. Good choice.
Saga 43
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CAN
Modern, fast, roomy and proven Perry design but a bit narrow and tender w/ some rudder and mast step structural problems.
Santa Cruz 52

USA
Strong, fast is fun, but pounds upwind!
Saturna 33
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CAN
Attractive, Bill Garden designed pilothouse cutter.
Scanmar 33, 345, 35 & 40
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SWE
Limited production but good design & quality construction.
Sceptre 41, 43
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CAN
Modern quality pilothouse with good sailing performance.
Seawind 30, Seawind II 32’
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USA
Solid boats, good value, built by Allied Yachts, NY.
Seguin 44, 51 by Lyman-Morse

USA
S & S & Hood design, highest quality, fast. Semi‑custom.
Shannon 32, 36, 39, 43, 47, 53.

USA
Good reliable boats. Hold their value well. A few issues…
Skye 51
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TAI
Similar looking to Swans. Soggy deck problems common.
Southerly 32-67

ENG
Quality built, very attractive and innovative swing-keel yachts.
Southern Cross 28, 31, 35, 39
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USA
Good boats. Fairly well built.
Spencer 35, 42, 44, 54
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CAN
Older, solid boats, built in Vancouver , B.C. Fairly dated now.
Stellar 52
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TAI
Total quality S&S design, well built, great detail work.
Sunbeam 32, 34, 37, 38, 40
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SWI
Not bad!
Sundeer 56, 64
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USA
Innovative design & excellent offwind performance. Good systems layout. Some need extensive refits. Built by TPI.
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Antiguo 12-07-2013, 08:53
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Swan

FIN
Newest models poorly suited for ocean cruising with open cockpits and limited tankage & storage. Teak deck issues.
Shearwater 39, 45
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RSA
Strong, traditional appearance, fairly good performance.
Sweden Yachts
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SWE
Quality racer‑cruiser designs, short on tankage and storage.
Tartan 34, 3500, 37, 3700, 41, 4100, 4600
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USA
Well proven, several 37’s have circumnavigated. Some designs have centerboards. Modest aluminum tankage.
Taswell 43, 49, 56, 58, 60, 72

TAI
Ta Shing quality, attractive, good sailing performance. Limited tankage on some models.
Tashiba 31, 36, 40
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TAI
Perry designs, built by Ta Shing, the best yard in Taiwan .
Topper Hermanson 40+
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USA
Semi custom steel or aluminum Van de Stadt designs.
Trintella 35-47
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HOL
Roomy and well built. Newer designs are aluminum and exp.
Triton 29 by Pearson
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USA
Good value, sturdy. Earliest fiberglass production boat. Ancient!
Valiant 32, 37, 39, 40, 42, 47, 50
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USA
Major blister problems on Valiant 40 hull numbers 116‑250. No problems with any of the excellent Texas built boats. Proven designs. Dbl ender = limited deck stowage, no swim step.
Vancouver 27
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CAN
Also built in Taiwan & England . Solid pocket circumnavigator
Vancouver 28, 34, 36, 38

GBR
High quality semi-traditional yachts built by Northshore Marine
Vangard 32
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USA
Good value but ancient Phil Rhodes design, built by Pearson
Vega 27, by Albin Marine
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SWE
At least six have circumnavigated. Inexpensive, light and fast.
Victoria 30, 34

GBR
Chuck Paine design, Morris built.
Vindo 29, 34, 38, 39

SWE
Attractive, well built, but high maintenance.
Vineyard Vixen 30, 34
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USA
Attractive design, quality boats but rare.
Westerly 26 – 43
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GBR
Not flashy, but moderately well‑built boats. Similar to Moody.
Westsail 28, 32, 39, 42, 43
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USA
Sturdy boats. 39’s are a rare & attractive Perry design. 42 & 43 are solid, but watch for leaky aluminum tanks.
Whitby 42, 44
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CAN
Brewer designs, good value, roomy and fairly well built but slow.
Yamaha 33, 35CS, 37
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JAP
Solid, no-nonsense sturdy, low maintenance.
Yankee 30
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USA
S & S designed. Inexpensive and capable. Great value.

Catamarans

Antares 44

ARG
Most impressive construction details and quality. No saildrives!!!
Atlantic 42, 48, 55

RSA
Chris White design, quality construction. Now building in Chile at Awloplast.
Catana 401, 431, 471, 521

FRA
Good design, but customer service seriously lacks at delivery.
Dean 400, 441

RSA
Modern, solid, and fast.
Discovery 50

GBR
New design; elegant, high quality, spacious but a bit heavy.
Dolphin 46

BRA
Daggerboards, nice performance and comfort balance
Fountaine Pajot 38, 43, 44, Casamance 45, 46, 56, 60, 75

FRA
Attractive designs, good quality, less expensive and lower quality than Catana
Gunboat 48-90

RSA
Carbon rocketships, very expensive, also now building in China
Kronos 45

FRA
Wauquiez-Beneteau built.
Knysna 440, 480

RSA
Sturdy but a little odd; poor engine access. Foam-core, no balsa
Lagoon 38, 41, 47, 57, 67

FRA
Beneteau built, good charter boat, O.K cruising boat.
Leopard 38,42,44, 47, 62

RSA
Good design, well built. Only moderate bridge deck clearance. Leopard 44 is a breakthrough design with forward cockpit.
Manta 40, 42

USA
Well designed and built. Great cruising boat. Slightly heavy.
Outremer 40-64

FRA
Fast and strong, utilizes lightweight construction. No balsa!
PDQ 32, 36, 42, 44
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CAN
Long successful production run. Now called Antares 44.
Prout 37, 38, 45, 50
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ENG
Reasonably priced, well proven, long production run.
Seawind 33

AUS
Quality boat.
St. Francis 50

RSA
Vacuum-bagged foam sandwich quality construction
Soubise 46

FRA
Excellent, super fast and high quality, semi-custom.
Voyage 380, 440, 500, 580

RSA
Lightweight, low freeboard & bridge deck clearance, good value



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Gracias PORT BO por tu enlace
unas copas de cava bien fresquito

hace años que lo conocía, y
no se si lo ha modificado desde entonces.

si ,si, veo que lo ha modificado
he visto que hay una lista nueva de 2013...

Lo que es seguro es que más o menos ,
me gustan los mismos barcos que a ese señor
hasta el HR46
pero vamos.... cualquiera de ellos sirve para mis sueños
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