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Espero que lo encontreis interesante
. Trata de los diferentes planteamientos en el diseño y construccion de un velero oceanico . Saludos. http://www.mahina.com/cruise.htmlEditado por port bo en 12-07-2013 a las 08:15. |
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ANTARTIC (14-07-2013), caribdis (12-07-2013), charran (13-07-2013), LordNelson (12-07-2013), mndorado (05-01-2014), mr.robinson (14-07-2013), nochipatzin (12-07-2013), sintripulación (12-07-2013), teteluis (12-07-2013), Tiberio (14-07-2013), Tortuga Carey (12-07-2013) | ||
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Gracias port bo,
Muy interesante la lista de los barcos mejor considerados. Able 32, 42, 48 * USA Superb quality, expensive. Chuck Paine designs. Alajuela 33, 38 * USA Good value, well built. 38 has a long bowsprit and boomkin. Alberg 35 * USA Proven, narrow, short waterlines, limited interior volume. Alden 38, 43, 44, 46, 48, 54, 58 * USA Classy, well built, beautiful & hold their value well. Allied 30, 32, 33, 35, 36, 39, 42 * USA Good value. Functional, practical but getting older now. Alubat (Ovni, Cigale) 36-58 FRA Builders of innovative lifting-keel aluminum cruising boats Allures 40, 45, 51 FRA Fascinating top quality, innovative, composite lifting keel yachts. Amel 36‑64 FRA Strong, well designed, excellent passagemaker, great value and low maintenance. Occasional serious blister problems. Amazon 29, 37, 44 * CAN Steel boats, attractive modern designs. Amphitrite 43 * FRA Wauquiez built, strong & roomy with good storage. Odd deck design, but solid boat and good value. Avoid teak deck models. Bayfield 29, 30‑32, 40 * CAN Good value. A bit “plasticy” interiors but ok. Bluewater 60 * USA Modern, top quality Chuck Paine design. Boreal 44, 47, 50, 53, 63 FRA Exc., highly innovative design suitable for high latitude cruising Bowman 36‑58 * GBR Strong boats, good passagemakers, but shortish waterline. Brewer 42 * CAN Improved version of Whitby 42. Bristol 27‑45 * USA Good boats. Later models were better quality. Bristol Channel Cutter 28 * USA Well built, but cockpit and cabin not very comfortable. Cabot 36 * CAN Ted Brewer design. Limited production. Cal 2‑30, 34, 36, 39, 40, 2‑46, 3‑46, 48 * USA Moderate quality, reasonably priced but look very carefully at bulkhead attachment and rudders. Caliber 28, 33, 35, 38, 40. * USA Fairly well‑built. Michael McCreary designs. LRC models have substantial tankage. The 47 is not an attractive boat. Cambria 40, 44, 46 * USA Fast, well‑built, gorgeous and have held their value well. Camper Nicholson 31, 32, 35, 38, 39, 40, 43, 47, 56, 58, 70 * GBR Famous yard, long out of business now. Very seaworthy designs. Watch for serious blister problems on all models. Cabo Rico 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47 * CRI Crealock and Paine designs. Expensive, semi custom. Some problems with water absorption into balsa-cored decks. Cape Dory ‑ all models * USA Classic design, quality construction, but narrow and small. Cape George Cutters 31, 36, 38 USA Many owner completed, quality varies. Strong, fast and attract. Cascade 36, 42 USA 1965‑67 design still being built. Fairly narrow, many owner-built. Centurion 36, 38, 40/41, 42/45 47/49 * FRA Fast, attractive solid boats with very modest tankage and somewhat limited storage. Avoid any with teak decks! Cherubini 44, 48, 62 * USA Semi‑custom, absolutely gorgeous, great sailing & expensive. Limited interior space compared to modern designs. Contessa 26 & 32 * CAN, GBR Tania Aebi & B.J. Caldwell both circumnavigated in 26's, but these are TINY boats. The 32 is small, but truly a classic. Contest 31, 35, 36, 38, 40, 41, 42, 44, 46, 48, 55, 60 HOL More common in Europe . Well built, new boats are very attractive and expensive. Corbin 39 * CAN Roomy and strong, but watch for hull blisters. Crealock 31, PH 32, 34, 37, 40, 44 by Pacific Seacraft * USA Good value and well built. Graceful overhangs, canoe sterns, short waterlines means these boats can hobbyhorse upwind. CS 36 * CAN Attractive, modern, fairly well built. Occasional blister problems. CSY 37, 44 * USA Sturdy, roomy & reasonably priced but old. Dana 24 by Pacific Seacraft * USA An attractive solid, expensive and slooow pocket ocean cruiser. Deerfoot Yachts * Var Fast & innovative, aluminum & fiberglass hulls. Dickerson 36, 37, 40, 41, 50 * USA Nicely proportioned & well‑built but old. Earlier 36’s are very reasonably priced but lack interior space. Dufour 31, 35 - 45 * FRA 1964-84 models had solid hulls, but balsa cored-decks. Endurance 35, 38, 40 * Var Peter Ibold design, some owner completed. Built by various yards in ENG , USA & Canada . Esprit 37 by Nordic, aka Valiant * USA Comfortable, well proven, good value but some have blisters. F & C 44 * ARG Modern Frers designed cruising ketch. Fantasi 37, 50 SWE High quality attractive pilothouse boats built on Orust Is. Farr Pilot House 50, 56, 60, 63 * SWE Powerful, fast, excellent quality. Hold value very well. Fast Passage 39 * USA Some built in Canada , some by Tollycraft. WA. Good boats. Fisher 30‑46 GBR Sturdy and slow motorsailers. Great for high latitude cruising. Fraser 41, 46, 50 * CAN Good, sturdy, fairly modern cruisers. Freya 39 * USA Good value. Many owner-completed, so quality varies greatly. Garcia 46-115 FRA Gorgeous, fast, semi custom, highest quality aluminum. Gladiateur 33 * FRA Very sturdy, short on tankage, Wauquiez built. Goderich 35, 37,41 * CAN Attractive Brewer steel boats. Short production run, rare. Gozzard 31, 36, 44 CAN Good design & construction. Totally committed quality company.
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Hallberg-Rassy, 31 - 64 SWE Well built, comfortable, good tankage and systems integration. Newer Frers designs faster than earlier Enderlien models. Watch for teak deck issues on older models. Halmatic 30 * ENG Similar to Nicholson 31. Watch for blisters. Hinkley 30‑64 * USA Attractive, highest quality, and expensive. Hold their value well. Modest tankage & storage. Hood 38 * FRA Wauquiez built, Hood design, strong, fast, & attractive but short on tankage. Centerboard rattles downwind. Solid choice. Hylas 46,49, 54, 54 raised Saloon, 56, 70 TAI Frers & S & S designs. Good sailing qualities, tankage & storage. High quality on later Jachney-era models. Island Packet 32, 35, 350, 37,38, 380, 40, 420, 44, 45 USA Good value, exc. company. Roomy & comfortable with good tankage & storage but some odd features. Continually improving J/42; J/44, J/46, J/160 USA Fast downwind, pound upwind. Minimal tankage and storage. Several have lost keels and rudders. Questionable… Jason 35 from Miller Marine * USA Many owner‑completed. Several have cruised extensively. Jongert 50, 55, 60, 67, 73 HOL Heavy, expensive, extremely well‑built steel and aluminum yachts, highest quality. Not going to win any races, though! Justine 36 * USA Gorgeous Paine design, Morris built cruiser. Rare. Kaiser Gale Force 34 * USA Well designed and built, good sailing qualities. Kaiulani 34, 38 * USA Lovely steel Brewer & Yohe designs. Very limited production. Kanter 42, 45, 60, 65 CAN Steel & aluminum boats, semi‑custom. Highest quality. Chuck Paine & Ted Brewer designs. LM 27, 28, 290, 30, 315, 32, 380 DEN Some have inside steering. Well‑built and impressive. Little Harbor 42 ‑ 90 * TAI & USA Hood designed heavy displacement, semi‑custom, hi maint. Expensive and solid as a rock, but strange pinched sterns. Luders 33, DOVE * USA Older, well built by Allied. Modest interior volume Malo 36, 38, 39, 45 * SWE High quality offshore boats with good sailing performance. Attractive, reasonably priced. Mariah 31 * USA At least one circumnavigation. Pacific Seacraft built. Mason 33, 43, 44, 53, 54, 63 * TAI Quality Ta-Shing boats, but short waterlines and high maint. Moody 38, 42, 47, 54, 64 * GBR Good designs of only modest quality. Compare to Catalina. Morgan 382, 383, 384 * USA Ted Brewer design for around $45-55K. Some problems … Morris 26, 28, 30, 32, 34,36, 42, 44, 45, 454, 46, 48.6, 52 USA Chuck Paine designs, superb quality, highest quality US yard building cruising boats. Semi-custom and expensive. Mystic 57, 60 * GBR Dubois design, Bowman built, beautiful. Mystery 35, 43 GBR Top quality, fast and attractive. Good choice! Najad 330, 361, 370, 390, 420, 490, 520 * SWE Quality, attractive boats. Excellent sailing performance. Good tankage, storage and high level of craftsmanship. Nauti‑Cat Motorsailers 35,40,43, 53 FIN Later S & S designed models are much better performers than earlier tubby models. Newer boats are very high quality. Niagara 31, 35, 42 * CAN Well‑built & roomy. Good value, but watch for soggy deck cores. Nimbus 42, by Albin Marine * TAI Kaufman & Ladd seaworthy, roomy design, Taiwan problems. Nordic 34,40,44,45 * USA Attractive boats, some solvable problems with mast step deflection on the 40 & 44. Norseman 400,447 * TAI Strong, fast, and attractive. Have held their value well. Rusty fuel tanks an expensive repair issue. North Wind 43,50, 58 SPA S&S designs, fairly good construction quality. Very few in NA. Ocean 60, 71 * GBR Powerful boats, many have had blister problems and old now Ocean Cruising 42 * USA Only a few built by Hank Hinkley. Classy, top quality. Orion 27 * USA Offshore capable. Pacific Seacraft built. Outbound 42, 44, 52 CHI Attractive, fast, well-built boats with great customer service. Ovni 35, 395, 445, 495, 58 FRA Sturdy, low maintenance excellent aluminum, lifting keels Oyster 42, 45, 485,49,53, 55, 56 61, 62, 63, 66, 70, 82, 100 GBR NZL Attractive, expensive and first class. Weak resale value on larger models make this an excellent, though expensive choice. Pacific Seacraft 34, 37, 40, 44 * USA Well built boats, good resale. Graceful overhangs, short W/L. Pearson 35, 365, 422, 424, 520 * USA Moderate construction quality, but quite a good value. Passport 41, 415, 435, 44, 456, 470, 50 TAI CHI Modern Perry cruising design. Good storage/tankage, soggy wooden deck cores common on older models. Pretorien 35 * FRA Strong, fast & attractive, built by Wauquiez. Great value. Modest tankage, some have saildrives, a negative. Regina of Vindo, 38, 43, 49 SWE Gorgeous, exquisitely built, highest quality deck saloon. In a class of their own for quality and design. Rival 36‑41, Rival Bowman 42 * ENG Strong, good-looking and sailing boats. Rustler 36, 42 ENG Totally impressive, quality boats and company. Sabre 34, 362,38, 402, 42, 402, 425, 452 USA Built in Maine , modest quality, limited tankage and storage, but very pretty. Doctor’s boats for New England . Sadler 34 * GBR Unsinkable, fast, great performance. Good choice. Saga 43 * CAN Modern, fast, roomy and proven Perry design but a bit narrow and tender w/ some rudder and mast step structural problems. Santa Cruz 52 USA Strong, fast is fun, but pounds upwind! Saturna 33 * CAN Attractive, Bill Garden designed pilothouse cutter. Scanmar 33, 345, 35 & 40 * SWE Limited production but good design & quality construction. Sceptre 41, 43 * CAN Modern quality pilothouse with good sailing performance. Seawind 30, Seawind II 32’ * USA Solid boats, good value, built by Allied Yachts, NY. Seguin 44, 51 by Lyman-Morse USA S & S & Hood design, highest quality, fast. Semi‑custom. Shannon 32, 36, 39, 43, 47, 53. USA Good reliable boats. Hold their value well. A few issues… Skye 51 * TAI Similar looking to Swans. Soggy deck problems common. Southerly 32-67 ENG Quality built, very attractive and innovative swing-keel yachts. Southern Cross 28, 31, 35, 39 * USA Good boats. Fairly well built. Spencer 35, 42, 44, 54 * CAN Older, solid boats, built in Vancouver , B.C. Fairly dated now. Stellar 52 * TAI Total quality S&S design, well built, great detail work. Sunbeam 32, 34, 37, 38, 40 * SWI Not bad! Sundeer 56, 64 * USA Innovative design & excellent offwind performance. Good systems layout. Some need extensive refits. Built by TPI.
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Swan FIN Newest models poorly suited for ocean cruising with open cockpits and limited tankage & storage. Teak deck issues. Shearwater 39, 45 * RSA Strong, traditional appearance, fairly good performance. Sweden Yachts * SWE Quality racer‑cruiser designs, short on tankage and storage. Tartan 34, 3500, 37, 3700, 41, 4100, 4600 * USA Well proven, several 37’s have circumnavigated. Some designs have centerboards. Modest aluminum tankage. Taswell 43, 49, 56, 58, 60, 72 TAI Ta Shing quality, attractive, good sailing performance. Limited tankage on some models. Tashiba 31, 36, 40 * TAI Perry designs, built by Ta Shing, the best yard in Taiwan . Topper Hermanson 40+ * USA Semi custom steel or aluminum Van de Stadt designs. Trintella 35-47 * HOL Roomy and well built. Newer designs are aluminum and exp. Triton 29 by Pearson * USA Good value, sturdy. Earliest fiberglass production boat. Ancient! Valiant 32, 37, 39, 40, 42, 47, 50 * USA Major blister problems on Valiant 40 hull numbers 116‑250. No problems with any of the excellent Texas built boats. Proven designs. Dbl ender = limited deck stowage, no swim step. Vancouver 27 * CAN Also built in Taiwan & England . Solid pocket circumnavigator Vancouver 28, 34, 36, 38 GBR High quality semi-traditional yachts built by Northshore Marine Vangard 32 * USA Good value but ancient Phil Rhodes design, built by Pearson Vega 27, by Albin Marine * SWE At least six have circumnavigated. Inexpensive, light and fast. Victoria 30, 34 GBR Chuck Paine design, Morris built. Vindo 29, 34, 38, 39 SWE Attractive, well built, but high maintenance. Vineyard Vixen 30, 34 * USA Attractive design, quality boats but rare. Westerly 26 – 43 * GBR Not flashy, but moderately well‑built boats. Similar to Moody. Westsail 28, 32, 39, 42, 43 * USA Sturdy boats. 39’s are a rare & attractive Perry design. 42 & 43 are solid, but watch for leaky aluminum tanks. Whitby 42, 44 * CAN Brewer designs, good value, roomy and fairly well built but slow. Yamaha 33, 35CS, 37 * JAP Solid, no-nonsense sturdy, low maintenance. Yankee 30 * USA S & S designed. Inexpensive and capable. Great value. Catamarans Antares 44 ARG Most impressive construction details and quality. No saildrives!!! Atlantic 42, 48, 55 RSA Chris White design, quality construction. Now building in Chile at Awloplast. Catana 401, 431, 471, 521 FRA Good design, but customer service seriously lacks at delivery. Dean 400, 441 RSA Modern, solid, and fast. Discovery 50 GBR New design; elegant, high quality, spacious but a bit heavy. Dolphin 46 BRA Daggerboards, nice performance and comfort balance Fountaine Pajot 38, 43, 44, Casamance 45, 46, 56, 60, 75 FRA Attractive designs, good quality, less expensive and lower quality than Catana Gunboat 48-90 RSA Carbon rocketships, very expensive, also now building in China Kronos 45 FRA Wauquiez-Beneteau built. Knysna 440, 480 RSA Sturdy but a little odd; poor engine access. Foam-core, no balsa Lagoon 38, 41, 47, 57, 67 FRA Beneteau built, good charter boat, O.K cruising boat. Leopard 38,42,44, 47, 62 RSA Good design, well built. Only moderate bridge deck clearance. Leopard 44 is a breakthrough design with forward cockpit. Manta 40, 42 USA Well designed and built. Great cruising boat. Slightly heavy. Outremer 40-64 FRA Fast and strong, utilizes lightweight construction. No balsa! PDQ 32, 36, 42, 44 * CAN Long successful production run. Now called Antares 44. Prout 37, 38, 45, 50 * ENG Reasonably priced, well proven, long production run. Seawind 33 AUS Quality boat. St. Francis 50 RSA Vacuum-bagged foam sandwich quality construction Soubise 46 FRA Excellent, super fast and high quality, semi-custom. Voyage 380, 440, 500, 580 RSA Lightweight, low freeboard & bridge deck clearance, good value
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Un solo astillero español...
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Gracias PORT BO por tu enlace
unas copas de cava bien fresquito![]() hace años que lo conocía, y no se si lo ha modificado desde entonces. si ,si, veo que lo ha modificado he visto que hay una lista nueva de 2013... Lo que es seguro es que más o menos , me gustan los mismos barcos que a ese señor hasta el HR46 ![]() pero vamos.... cualquiera de ellos sirve para mis sueños |
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